Comments on: 50 – 50 Split by William Dolan http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=50-%25e2%2580%2593-50-split An online art magazine ~ Established 2008 Wed, 16 May 2012 15:09:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Bill Dolan http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-490 Bill Dolan Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:43:21 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-490 Thanks! Very good stuff there. I think it's especially important to have contracts as an artist gets secondary representation. There's less of a personal bond with the dealer. A good contract is like insurance. It's something both parties can refer to if things go bad. If the relationship is good and the contract is clear, than it can sit in a drawer. Thanks! Very good stuff there. I think it’s especially important to have contracts as an artist gets secondary representation. There’s less of a personal bond with the dealer. A good contract is like insurance. It’s something both parties can refer to if things go bad. If the relationship is good and the contract is clear, than it can sit in a drawer.

]]> By: Norbert Marszalek http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-487 Norbert Marszalek Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:53:58 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-487 this looks interesting: http://labweb.education.wisc.edu/artcommunity/artisttips/gallerycontracts.asp this looks interesting:

http://labweb.education.wisc.edu/artcommunity/artisttips/gallerycontracts.asp

]]> By: Norbert Marszalek http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-476 Norbert Marszalek Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:27:36 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-476 the current gallery system, critic, curator art world "wall" will eventually crumble ....and will need to be rebuilt. Some of the rebuilding is already starting - - the current gallery system, critic, curator art world “wall” will eventually crumble ….and will need to be rebuilt. Some of the rebuilding is already starting – -

]]> By: Bill Dolan http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-474 Bill Dolan Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:28:05 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-474 I agree that it will be long time before there are any major changes, especially in light of the pending depression. Hirst is a prime example of having a name that is big enough that he doesn't need any help selling his work. Of course, he wouldn't have gotten where he is without Saachi's efforts early on. Duncan summed it up nicely in this week's Bad At Sports. I agree that it will be long time before there are any major changes, especially in light of the pending depression.

Hirst is a prime example of having a name that is big enough that he doesn’t need any help selling his work. Of course, he wouldn’t have gotten where he is without Saachi’s efforts early on. Duncan summed it up nicely in this week’s Bad At Sports.

]]> By: james beckman http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-471 james beckman Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:01:33 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-471 yesh, the fresh mfa can give the illusion of early success. thats why im a big fan of the drop-out-of-your-bfa route. the credit crunch is hitting students very hard, maybe even harder, than home owners - - achieving an mfa in the future may not necessarily mean you are a good artist, just that you could actually pay for it. Mr Hirst, as backlash-ridden as he may be, may have broken some sort of barrier with the direct-to-auction success story. perhaps this will be the beginning of the emigration from traditional galleries. yes, he had to have a gallery first in order to be able to sell 200$mill, but that is just for now. Progress happens as a j curve. there is a long, long period of very little growth and change, but it is exponential, and will rise at an incredible rate. dna decoding is a pretty good example of this. it took ten years and 13 billion dollars to decode the first little bit of dna, and now it only took a short period of time and 1million dollars to decode the dna of the wolly mammoth they just found.. . .. yesh, the fresh mfa can give the illusion of early success. thats why im a big fan of the drop-out-of-your-bfa route.

the credit crunch is hitting students very hard, maybe even harder, than home owners – - achieving an mfa in the future may not necessarily mean you are a good artist, just that you could actually pay for it.

Mr Hirst, as backlash-ridden as he may be, may have broken some sort of barrier with the direct-to-auction success story. perhaps this will be the beginning of the emigration from traditional galleries. yes, he had to have a gallery first in order to be able to sell 200$mill, but that is just for now. Progress happens as a j curve. there is a long, long period of very little growth and change, but it is exponential, and will rise at an incredible rate.

dna decoding is a pretty good example of this. it took ten years and 13 billion dollars to decode the first little bit of dna, and now it only took a short period of time and 1million dollars to decode the dna of the wolly mammoth they just found.. . ..

]]> By: Bill Dolan http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-464 Bill Dolan Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:30:47 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-464 True, a student with a fresh MFA from the right school will have an easier time getting their career off the ground. However, an MFA grad from a University that isn't recognized as an art school is starting out from a weak position. Plus, even a select few from the "right" schools start out on top. Schools -- those that aren't the "right" ones -- don't really teach how the business works or help students. The emphasis is on getting a support career and doing art on the side. True, a student with a fresh MFA from the right school will have an easier time getting their career off the ground. However, an MFA grad from a University that isn’t recognized as an art school is starting out from a weak position. Plus, even a select few from the “right” schools start out on top.

Schools — those that aren’t the “right” ones — don’t really teach how the business works or help students. The emphasis is on getting a support career and doing art on the side.

]]> By: Norbert Marszalek http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-463 Norbert Marszalek Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:55:42 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-463 "One problem is that artists seem to start out their careers from a point of weakness and are often ill-prepared." I don't think that is the case regarding students with a fresh MFA from a decent art school. I think these beginning artists are on top of the world (or at least they think they are). It just gets tougher for them as time goes on - - “One problem is that artists seem to start out their careers from a point of weakness and are often ill-prepared.”

I don’t think that is the case regarding students with a fresh MFA from a decent art school. I think these beginning artists are on top of the world (or at least they think they are). It just gets tougher for them as time goes on – -

]]> By: Bill Dolan http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-455 Bill Dolan Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:51:00 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-455 Yes. I'm talking about the dealers. We still need a place to show work and the system in place has its problems. One problem is that artists seem to start out their careers from a point of weakness and are often ill-prepared. Therefore, they never see themselves as having any advantage, happy to take what they can get. I don't know about blowing up the whole system, but artists need to gain some strength. It's ironic that, except for the superstars, artists are at the bottom rung of the art world. That has to change. Yes. I’m talking about the dealers.

We still need a place to show work and the system in place has its problems. One problem is that artists seem to start out their careers from a point of weakness and are often ill-prepared. Therefore, they never see themselves as having any advantage, happy to take what they can get.

I don’t know about blowing up the whole system, but artists need to gain some strength. It’s ironic that, except for the superstars, artists are at the bottom rung of the art world. That has to change.

]]> By: Norbert Marszalek http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-454 Norbert Marszalek Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:12:37 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-454 Bill, when you mention the "Wizard of Oz" analogy I assume you are talking about the art dealer/gallerist themselves...not the physical gallery space, right? I still think we need the "gallery space" in the art world. Maybe some of the art dealers/gallerist need to reinvent themselves to improve the whole system. To those who think the whole gallery system is bankrupt...what other options/alternatives do we have? Bill, when you mention the “Wizard of Oz” analogy I assume you are talking about the art dealer/gallerist themselves…not the physical gallery space, right?

I still think we need the “gallery space” in the art world. Maybe some of the art dealers/gallerist need to reinvent themselves to improve the whole system.

To those who think the whole gallery system is bankrupt…what other options/alternatives do we have?

]]> By: Norbert Marszalek http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/comment-page-1/#comment-453 Norbert Marszalek Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:48:57 +0000 http://neotericart.com/2008/11/17/50-%e2%80%93-50-split/#comment-453 "Like it or not, (and until things radically change in the art world system) artists still need the dealer/gallery to establish a “serious” career. Buyers, collectors, curators, critics, etc. still put too much emphasis on the dealer/gallery." I think this is very true - - “Like it or not, (and until things radically change in the art world system) artists still need the dealer/gallery to establish a “serious” career. Buyers, collectors, curators, critics, etc. still put too much emphasis on the dealer/gallery.”

I think this is very true – -

]]>