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		<title>Comment on Interview with Sam Still by Cameron Still</title>
		<link>http://neotericart.com/2011/12/26/interview-with-sam-still/comment-page-1/#comment-3299</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Still</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,
 You have always had soul and imagination. I have always admired your work. Your art is ...  I have no words for your expressions. All envelope me with a blanket of time, happenings of a life in motion... You are ALL that.
 Love You,
Cam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,<br />
 You have always had soul and imagination. I have always admired your work. Your art is &#8230;  I have no words for your expressions. All envelope me with a blanket of time, happenings of a life in motion&#8230; You are ALL that.<br />
 Love You,<br />
Cam</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Review: West Loop Trilogy — Part 1 (EC Gallery) by Jeffery McNary by Winter show &#171; Agata Czeremuszkin-Chrut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winter show &#171; Agata Czeremuszkin-Chrut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See the article by Jeffery McNarry / Zobacz artyku? [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Art Review —  Ellen Lanyon &amp; Philip Pearlstein: Objects/Objectivity by Diane Thodos by Diane Thodos</title>
		<link>http://neotericart.com/2011/11/20/art-review-%e2%80%94-ellen-lanyon-philip-pearlstein-objectsobjectivity-by-diane-thodos/comment-page-1/#comment-3277</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Thodos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness #2 - there not much critical consciousness in appropriating my words.  I see you read  Dazed and Confused about the Nov.22 SAIC panel discussion and it&#039;s good to see it has raised some thinking, but apparently it is not your own this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness #2 &#8211; there not much critical consciousness in appropriating my words.  I see you read  Dazed and Confused about the Nov.22 SAIC panel discussion and it&#8217;s good to see it has raised some thinking, but apparently it is not your own this time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Interview with Hildegard Bachert, Co-Director of Galerie St. Etienne, NYC — On February 2 , 2011 by Diane Thodos — Part 1 of 3 by Margaret Roche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 02:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good interview and I learned things about German Expressionists, that inspite of my long time tinterest in their work I did not know. Diane does a very good interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good interview and I learned things about German Expressionists, that inspite of my long time tinterest in their work I did not know. Diane does a very good interview.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Criticism in Chicago &#8211; Dazed and Confused.  A review of the panel discussion at the School of the Art Institute on November 22, 2011 by Diane Thodos by Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More information regarding the day-long symposium about the New Art Examiner on January 28 at Northern Illinois University is now available - please visit this page:

http://niucvpa.blogspot.com/2012/01/cvpa-to-host-new-art-examiner-symposium.html

We hope several of you will be able to join us for a spirited day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More information regarding the day-long symposium about the New Art Examiner on January 28 at Northern Illinois University is now available &#8211; please visit this page:</p>
<p><a href="http://niucvpa.blogspot.com/2012/01/cvpa-to-host-new-art-examiner-symposium.html" rel="nofollow">http://niucvpa.blogspot.com/2012/01/cvpa-to-host-new-art-examiner-symposium.html</a></p>
<p>We hope several of you will be able to join us for a spirited day!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Criticism in Chicago &#8211; Dazed and Confused.  A review of the panel discussion at the School of the Art Institute on November 22, 2011 by Diane Thodos by Diane Thodos</title>
		<link>http://neotericart.com/2011/12/05/art-criticism-in-chicago-dazed-and-confused-a-review-of-the-panel-discussion-at-the-school-of-the-art-institute-on-november-22-2011-by-diane-thodos/comment-page-1/#comment-3252</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Thodos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Paul

Thanks for your well articulated insight.  If you want to get in touch with me about some future events along the track of this discussion, including a panel discussion with myself, Derek Guthrie, Terri Griffith, and Andrew Falkowski at the Evanston Art Center on Friday Jan. 20th starting at 6:30, get in touch with me at dthodos@ameritech.net.  The Occupy movements are starting with few resources but their own will, and regarding the status quo I think that&#039;s where we are too, (no matter that those who use  - or should I say misuse - theory claim to, falsely, co- opt this position).  As you can see from all the debate above there are quite a few voices that are fed up with what has been 30 years of the same kind of repetitious codes for art and their accompanying arguments.  It is a good time - for those who can perceive the issues at stake - to show a willingness to speak up for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Paul</p>
<p>Thanks for your well articulated insight.  If you want to get in touch with me about some future events along the track of this discussion, including a panel discussion with myself, Derek Guthrie, Terri Griffith, and Andrew Falkowski at the Evanston Art Center on Friday Jan. 20th starting at 6:30, get in touch with me at <a href="mailto:dthodos@ameritech.net">dthodos@ameritech.net</a>.  The Occupy movements are starting with few resources but their own will, and regarding the status quo I think that&#8217;s where we are too, (no matter that those who use  &#8211; or should I say misuse &#8211; theory claim to, falsely, co- opt this position).  As you can see from all the debate above there are quite a few voices that are fed up with what has been 30 years of the same kind of repetitious codes for art and their accompanying arguments.  It is a good time &#8211; for those who can perceive the issues at stake &#8211; to show a willingness to speak up for them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Art Be Moral Again? by William Conger by Richard Kooyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Kooyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with talking about Art in the modernist and post- modernistic terms is that we aren&#039;t clear what modernism and post- modernism is about. Robert Genter in his book, &#039;Late Modernism Art, Culture, and Politics in Cold War America&#039; splits Modernism in Art into two opposing camps, High Modernism and Late Modernism. Late Modernism was represented by artists like Pollack  and Johns who did believe in a moral aspect to art.
And books are still being written trying to understand what is Post Modernism is compared to Modernism yet Conger lumps them together in his essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with talking about Art in the modernist and post- modernistic terms is that we aren&#8217;t clear what modernism and post- modernism is about. Robert Genter in his book, &#8216;Late Modernism Art, Culture, and Politics in Cold War America&#8217; splits Modernism in Art into two opposing camps, High Modernism and Late Modernism. Late Modernism was represented by artists like Pollack  and Johns who did believe in a moral aspect to art.<br />
And books are still being written trying to understand what is Post Modernism is compared to Modernism yet Conger lumps them together in his essay.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Alley Studies II by Robert Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed:
the memories
the technique
the desolation/light contrast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed:<br />
the memories<br />
the technique<br />
the desolation/light contrast</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art Criticism in Chicago &#8211; Dazed and Confused.  A review of the panel discussion at the School of the Art Institute on November 22, 2011 by Diane Thodos by Paul E. Germanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul E. Germanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaysen -

First, a quotation from Diane Thodos&#039; article at the top of the page:

&quot;For all of the contemporary art world’s claim to being &#039;liberal&#039; and &#039;progressive&#039; it is deeply conservative at heart,&quot;

Second, a quotation from your (# 41, December 18th, 2011) comment:

&quot;Speaking of ‘historical awareness’, Chicago has a long history of alternative spaces. We were doing it here long before it was hip. What is more maverick than that?&quot;

In answer to the &quot;maverick&quot; question which you&#039;ve posed within the citation above: There is nothing &quot;maverick&quot; about opening an alternative art space within Chicago; &quot;alternative&quot; is itself a misnomer.  You&#039;ve stipulated to a &quot;long history&quot; of such spaces.  And maintenance of tradition is, per Thodos, a core principle of conservatism.

+ + +

I&#039;m struck by the fact that, in my viewing experience, the contemporary &quot;maverick&quot; galleries which you&#039;ve listed:

Alderman Exhibitions
Slow
65Grand
Peregrine Program
CoProsperity Sphere
New Capital
Julius Ceasar
Adds Donna
Lloyd Dobbler
EbersMoore
Roots and Culture
Western Exhibitions
Happy Collaborationists
Whot It Is
Antenna
Cobalt Studio
Defibul8tr

(a) offer remarkably similar programming; and,

(b) offer programming which would not have been out of place in any of the venues which were lumped together as &quot;alternative&quot; spaces in the 80s, e.g.:

NAME
Randolph Street
ARC
Artemisia
SAIC&#039;s Gallery 2
Hyde Park Art Center

Really, aside from those few artworks dependent upon some technological innovation, within Chicago&#039;s &quot;alternative&quot; art world (and maybe within Chicago&#039;s art world, period) there&#039;s been almost no forward progress in a formal and/or ideological sense in the past 30 years.

Broadly, a consensus about the &quot;rightness&quot; of ideologies associated with the Left, e.g., Marxism, Feminism, multiculturalism, has come to inform a hybrid of Conceptualism and Poor Art which usually manifests in installation, performance and direct political action.

There&#039;s very little left for the viewing audience to ponder about the theoretical ground which underpins most work.  The targets are regular: masculinity, Capitalism, religion, etc.  The revolutionary political action of the 1960s has been institutionalized.

+ + +

Thank you for the time and effort which you&#039;ve invested in your response.  Such resources as our energies are finite--and likely to come to naught if frivolously divided between too many projects.  God help us if everyone needs to create their own publication in order to &quot;participate in the dialogue.&quot;

Germanos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaysen -</p>
<p>First, a quotation from Diane Thodos&#8217; article at the top of the page:</p>
<p>&#8220;For all of the contemporary art world’s claim to being &#8216;liberal&#8217; and &#8216;progressive&#8217; it is deeply conservative at heart,&#8221;</p>
<p>Second, a quotation from your (# 41, December 18th, 2011) comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;Speaking of ‘historical awareness’, Chicago has a long history of alternative spaces. We were doing it here long before it was hip. What is more maverick than that?&#8221;</p>
<p>In answer to the &#8220;maverick&#8221; question which you&#8217;ve posed within the citation above: There is nothing &#8220;maverick&#8221; about opening an alternative art space within Chicago; &#8220;alternative&#8221; is itself a misnomer.  You&#8217;ve stipulated to a &#8220;long history&#8221; of such spaces.  And maintenance of tradition is, per Thodos, a core principle of conservatism.</p>
<p>+ + +</p>
<p>I&#8217;m struck by the fact that, in my viewing experience, the contemporary &#8220;maverick&#8221; galleries which you&#8217;ve listed:</p>
<p>Alderman Exhibitions<br />
Slow<br />
65Grand<br />
Peregrine Program<br />
CoProsperity Sphere<br />
New Capital<br />
Julius Ceasar<br />
Adds Donna<br />
Lloyd Dobbler<br />
EbersMoore<br />
Roots and Culture<br />
Western Exhibitions<br />
Happy Collaborationists<br />
Whot It Is<br />
Antenna<br />
Cobalt Studio<br />
Defibul8tr</p>
<p>(a) offer remarkably similar programming; and,</p>
<p>(b) offer programming which would not have been out of place in any of the venues which were lumped together as &#8220;alternative&#8221; spaces in the 80s, e.g.:</p>
<p>NAME<br />
Randolph Street<br />
ARC<br />
Artemisia<br />
SAIC&#8217;s Gallery 2<br />
Hyde Park Art Center</p>
<p>Really, aside from those few artworks dependent upon some technological innovation, within Chicago&#8217;s &#8220;alternative&#8221; art world (and maybe within Chicago&#8217;s art world, period) there&#8217;s been almost no forward progress in a formal and/or ideological sense in the past 30 years.</p>
<p>Broadly, a consensus about the &#8220;rightness&#8221; of ideologies associated with the Left, e.g., Marxism, Feminism, multiculturalism, has come to inform a hybrid of Conceptualism and Poor Art which usually manifests in installation, performance and direct political action.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s very little left for the viewing audience to ponder about the theoretical ground which underpins most work.  The targets are regular: masculinity, Capitalism, religion, etc.  The revolutionary political action of the 1960s has been institutionalized.</p>
<p>+ + +</p>
<p>Thank you for the time and effort which you&#8217;ve invested in your response.  Such resources as our energies are finite&#8211;and likely to come to naught if frivolously divided between too many projects.  God help us if everyone needs to create their own publication in order to &#8220;participate in the dialogue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Germanos.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with Sam Still by Matthew Ballou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Ballou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this work has stuck with me in the days since i read all of the above and explored mr. still&#039;s website. i feel like a lot would rest on the presentation, but i find myself compelled with the work as i see it online. simultaneously bold and subtle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this work has stuck with me in the days since i read all of the above and explored mr. still&#8217;s website. i feel like a lot would rest on the presentation, but i find myself compelled with the work as i see it online. simultaneously bold and subtle&#8230;</p>
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