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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by derek guthrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you William for your post one comment The NAE  made it &quot;possible
for artists artists to devolpe their own ideas here -and happily - against the ubiquitous NY and international art scene.&quot; . The history is not written and should be, City Hall Culture is both a manifestion of Chicago and also  the Democratic Party. In theory liberal and open to proggresive thinking   usualy  sold out or down the river to  to the higest bidder. The NAE was Inderpendant in the traition of Jane Addamms and belonged and practised   the idea of free speech. and was betrayed by the art powerelite of Chicago that dominated  and still does Museums ,Art Academia  which  dances with the market.As Watergate instructed us, &quot;Follow the money&quot;  derek guthrie
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you William for your post one comment The NAE  made it &#8220;possible<br />
for artists artists to devolpe their own ideas here -and happily &#8211; against the ubiquitous NY and international art scene.&#8221; . The history is not written and should be, City Hall Culture is both a manifestion of Chicago and also  the Democratic Party. In theory liberal and open to proggresive thinking   usualy  sold out or down the river to  to the higest bidder. The NAE was Inderpendant in the traition of Jane Addamms and belonged and practised   the idea of free speech. and was betrayed by the art powerelite of Chicago that dominated  and still does Museums ,Art Academia  which  dances with the market.As Watergate instructed us, &#8220;Follow the money&#8221;  derek guthrie<br />
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by William Conger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Conger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie Markovich has written an excellent article.  I was in Chicago during the whole history of the NAE. It had a lot of influence and was one of the reasons why some artists chose to stay in Chicago.  It represented courage and honesty and that attitude made it possible for artists to develop their own ideas here, often -- and happily -- against the grain of the ubiquitous NY and International commercialized art scene.  A crucial sense of confidence in Chicago as an innovative art center that made a mark on contemporary art seemed to weaken with the demise of the NAE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie Markovich has written an excellent article.  I was in Chicago during the whole history of the NAE. It had a lot of influence and was one of the reasons why some artists chose to stay in Chicago.  It represented courage and honesty and that attitude made it possible for artists to develop their own ideas here, often &#8212; and happily &#8212; against the grain of the ubiquitous NY and International commercialized art scene.  A crucial sense of confidence in Chicago as an innovative art center that made a mark on contemporary art seemed to weaken with the demise of the NAE.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Picasso and Chicago&#8221; &#8230; Missing the &#8220;Wow&#8221; Factor by Norbert Marszalek by Stephen M.Kluck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen M.Kluck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t have a chance to see the show, i was in the middle of moving—for a whole month—but what a good article Norbert. 
Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have a chance to see the show, i was in the middle of moving—for a whole month—but what a good article Norbert.<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by Tom Zurfluh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Zurfluh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 02:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful article, Annie.  As others have pointed out above, the view from inside the NAE is a unique perspective.

Like Annie, I was a student of Derek&#039;s at Northwestern and took his painting class several times over.  Each time learning a bit more about the practice of art and how I saw the world.  However, the real education took place after class when 6-8 of us would retire with Derek to the cellar of a nearby pizza joint for pizza, beer, and discussion.  After a bit of relaxing banter, Derk would invariably pose what seemed to be a simple question about art, the art world, the relationship between art and the current social situation around us, or some other aspect of the current art scene.  Each of these questions seemed perfectly straightforward and simple on the face of it.  Being eager students and of that age where we thought we knew virtually everything about how the world worked, we jumped headlong into the intellectual trap.  The questions of course were never as simply answered as they seemed but rather lead us on a tortuous path from the easy answer to another question until either we began to see how complicated the art world really was or we became so frustrated that we sank into the quicksand of our own ignorance.  But we always came back for more.  How could we not; we were learning.

One thing that became obvious was that this sort of discourse - even though we students were intellectually &quot;outgunned&quot; (and knew it) was alive.  It bore no resemblence to the dead art hanging on museum walls and the little plaques beside them.  The issues were current, relevant, and revealed an aspect of art none of us had ever even known we ought to be considering and discussing with others even in our ignorance.  We still had viewpoints - even though they were so easily dispatched into nonsense - and they were worth sharing amongst each other.

When Derek suggested this sort of discouse should exist throughout the art world from museum to individual artist, we wholeheartedly agreed.  When he suggested it could be brought into existance as a publication, I was among the first to say - given my education as an engineer and brief working experience - that this was not possible.  We had no big buck sponsor or angel, no money, no plan that any reasonable business person could possibly find credible, and so on.  Thank God Derek and Jane proved me wrong.

I was not so much an ardent supporter of the CNAA and the resulting NAE as a reluctant participant dragged along by the tide of events.  This was the time of the Vietnam War, Kennedy inspiring us to do something for our country, never trust anybody over 30, flower power, free love and nickel beer.  I never got much of the latter two but I guess that in my heart I really wanted the NAE to succeed in spite of my innate pessimism.  It was summed up on the masthead: &quot;The Independent Voice of the Visual Arts&quot;.  It is the Independence that we have lost with the passing of the NAE.

Along with several of my original classmates, I ended up on the Board of Directors of the CNAA, helping with the grunt work of fund raising events, and contributing money I didn&#039;t really have time after time.  Every cent was well spent.  I got a real education in what my father always referred to as &quot;the College of Hard Knocks&quot;.

I am amazed to this day how Derek and Jane kept us from just giving up in desperation time after time.

I have my share of stories about those times and a theory as to why the art world lends itself to such easy manipulation but I will save them for another time.  Thanks again, Annie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article, Annie.  As others have pointed out above, the view from inside the NAE is a unique perspective.</p>
<p>Like Annie, I was a student of Derek&#8217;s at Northwestern and took his painting class several times over.  Each time learning a bit more about the practice of art and how I saw the world.  However, the real education took place after class when 6-8 of us would retire with Derek to the cellar of a nearby pizza joint for pizza, beer, and discussion.  After a bit of relaxing banter, Derk would invariably pose what seemed to be a simple question about art, the art world, the relationship between art and the current social situation around us, or some other aspect of the current art scene.  Each of these questions seemed perfectly straightforward and simple on the face of it.  Being eager students and of that age where we thought we knew virtually everything about how the world worked, we jumped headlong into the intellectual trap.  The questions of course were never as simply answered as they seemed but rather lead us on a tortuous path from the easy answer to another question until either we began to see how complicated the art world really was or we became so frustrated that we sank into the quicksand of our own ignorance.  But we always came back for more.  How could we not; we were learning.</p>
<p>One thing that became obvious was that this sort of discourse &#8211; even though we students were intellectually &#8220;outgunned&#8221; (and knew it) was alive.  It bore no resemblence to the dead art hanging on museum walls and the little plaques beside them.  The issues were current, relevant, and revealed an aspect of art none of us had ever even known we ought to be considering and discussing with others even in our ignorance.  We still had viewpoints &#8211; even though they were so easily dispatched into nonsense &#8211; and they were worth sharing amongst each other.</p>
<p>When Derek suggested this sort of discouse should exist throughout the art world from museum to individual artist, we wholeheartedly agreed.  When he suggested it could be brought into existance as a publication, I was among the first to say &#8211; given my education as an engineer and brief working experience &#8211; that this was not possible.  We had no big buck sponsor or angel, no money, no plan that any reasonable business person could possibly find credible, and so on.  Thank God Derek and Jane proved me wrong.</p>
<p>I was not so much an ardent supporter of the CNAA and the resulting NAE as a reluctant participant dragged along by the tide of events.  This was the time of the Vietnam War, Kennedy inspiring us to do something for our country, never trust anybody over 30, flower power, free love and nickel beer.  I never got much of the latter two but I guess that in my heart I really wanted the NAE to succeed in spite of my innate pessimism.  It was summed up on the masthead: &#8220;The Independent Voice of the Visual Arts&#8221;.  It is the Independence that we have lost with the passing of the NAE.</p>
<p>Along with several of my original classmates, I ended up on the Board of Directors of the CNAA, helping with the grunt work of fund raising events, and contributing money I didn&#8217;t really have time after time.  Every cent was well spent.  I got a real education in what my father always referred to as &#8220;the College of Hard Knocks&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am amazed to this day how Derek and Jane kept us from just giving up in desperation time after time.</p>
<p>I have my share of stories about those times and a theory as to why the art world lends itself to such easy manipulation but I will save them for another time.  Thanks again, Annie.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by Joseph Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I very much enjoyed reading this piece. To pick up from the final line &#039;history is not obsolete&#039;.  

The mission statement for the NAE has never been more neccesary &quot;…to examine the definition and transmission of culture in our society; the decision-making processes within museums and schools and the agencies of patronage which determine the manner in which culture shall be transmitted; the value systems which presently influence the making of art as well as its study in exhibitions and books; and, in particular, the interaction of these factors with the visual art milieu.&quot;

I am part of a generation in the UK of Thatcher&#039;s children, a generation that was told that society should be superceded by the individual and the value of that individuals achievement would be measured by its fiscal achievements and viability. So we clammer over each other in pursuit of... oh dear.. where is it that we were supposed to heading and what is it I was supposed to be believe in? 

The climate is a vacuum, a vacuum where people have forgotten the value of coming together and exchanging ideas. Real ideas, of depth and meaning. I moved to Cornwall in the UK to privately search for something more meaningful. Freedom from a dazzling celebration of mediocrity.

I first met Derek Guthrie some years back, we have chatted tentatively since, slowly coming out of the shell. These exchanges have grown in to discourse, and the numbers involved have blossomed. Within Cornwall are a group of inteligent people who have something to say and nowhere to say it, we plan on dealing with the cultural vacuum. As with the very first issue of the New Art Examiner, what seems to be needed as a matter of cultural urgency is an independent voice that speaks &quot;without fear or favour&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much enjoyed reading this piece. To pick up from the final line &#8216;history is not obsolete&#8217;.  </p>
<p>The mission statement for the NAE has never been more neccesary &#8220;…to examine the definition and transmission of culture in our society; the decision-making processes within museums and schools and the agencies of patronage which determine the manner in which culture shall be transmitted; the value systems which presently influence the making of art as well as its study in exhibitions and books; and, in particular, the interaction of these factors with the visual art milieu.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am part of a generation in the UK of Thatcher&#8217;s children, a generation that was told that society should be superceded by the individual and the value of that individuals achievement would be measured by its fiscal achievements and viability. So we clammer over each other in pursuit of&#8230; oh dear.. where is it that we were supposed to heading and what is it I was supposed to be believe in? </p>
<p>The climate is a vacuum, a vacuum where people have forgotten the value of coming together and exchanging ideas. Real ideas, of depth and meaning. I moved to Cornwall in the UK to privately search for something more meaningful. Freedom from a dazzling celebration of mediocrity.</p>
<p>I first met Derek Guthrie some years back, we have chatted tentatively since, slowly coming out of the shell. These exchanges have grown in to discourse, and the numbers involved have blossomed. Within Cornwall are a group of inteligent people who have something to say and nowhere to say it, we plan on dealing with the cultural vacuum. As with the very first issue of the New Art Examiner, what seems to be needed as a matter of cultural urgency is an independent voice that speaks &#8220;without fear or favour&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by Roland Gurney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Gurney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Annie for such a preceptive and in-depth survey of the background and process through which from modest beginnings the NAE achieved such a pre-eminent position in American art criticism
and placed Chicago right at the heart of the US art scene away from
the perceived art auctionhouse-dominated world of New York.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Annie for such a preceptive and in-depth survey of the background and process through which from modest beginnings the NAE achieved such a pre-eminent position in American art criticism<br />
and placed Chicago right at the heart of the US art scene away from<br />
the perceived art auctionhouse-dominated world of New York.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Interview with Donald Kuspit by Diane Thodos &#8212; New York City, April 29, 2009 &#8212; Part 1 by Roland Gurney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Gurney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliantly positive analysis of the postmodern crisis in contemporary art &amp; artcrit, look forward to the next 7 parts!! This reflects the penetrating essay &#039;Art is dead, long live aesthetic management!&#039; by Kuspit in the Essential New Art Examiner anthology looking at two takes on Marilyn Monroe by Willem de Kooning &amp; Andy Warhol to the detriment of the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliantly positive analysis of the postmodern crisis in contemporary art &amp; artcrit, look forward to the next 7 parts!! This reflects the penetrating essay &#8216;Art is dead, long live aesthetic management!&#8217; by Kuspit in the Essential New Art Examiner anthology looking at two takes on Marilyn Monroe by Willem de Kooning &amp; Andy Warhol to the detriment of the latter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by derek guthrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek guthrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 09:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.&quot; - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)I
 I commend Annie Markovich who has had the courage to break the ice and great freeze imposed on the contribution  of  jane Addams Allen and the other peoplei involved with the NAE.  Kathryn Born started the process 
by seeing that the New Art Examiner made an unique contribution to Chicago&#039;s cultural history and by editing the anthology,   the Essential New Art Examiner, published by NIU Press, .
&quot;Wide Eyed Reading &quot;, the  name of the panel convened  by Buzz Spector , Dean of Washington University , St Louis ,to be held at the College Art Association  Meeting ton be held in Chicago Feb 2014.  . 
This event will herald in the third stage .Shopphauer&quot;s percepation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.&#8221; &#8211; Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)I<br />
 I commend Annie Markovich who has had the courage to break the ice and great freeze imposed on the contribution  of  jane Addams Allen and the other peoplei involved with the NAE.  Kathryn Born started the process<br />
by seeing that the New Art Examiner made an unique contribution to Chicago&#8217;s cultural history and by editing the anthology,   the Essential New Art Examiner, published by NIU Press, .<br />
&#8220;Wide Eyed Reading &#8220;, the  name of the panel convened  by Buzz Spector , Dean of Washington University , St Louis ,to be held at the College Art Association  Meeting ton be held in Chicago Feb 2014.  .<br />
This event will herald in the third stage .Shopphauer&#8221;s percepation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by Stephen Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 08:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Annie,
I enjoyed reading your account of the NAE from your egalitarian position working within the office and experiencing all that occurred, you have an informed take on recent history. Art confused with sport persists certainly in the UK government department of Culture Media and Sport! And your PhD comment from 1972 connects us to the beginnings of the hyped academicisation of Art Education: as though the beginnings of a boom and bust real estate rush. I note that your job included health insurance, that’s impressive- the NAE was a good union.  
As you say Annie of the revamped NAE: ‘its cost was a whopping $8 in the U.S and $11 in Canada. A far cry from the modest, initial .50 cost of the first few issues’. Compare this though to the mega whopping cost of degrees at SAIC- $33,000 per year, to be taught in the self-same spirit of American pragmatism via John Dewey and Jane Addams of Hull house, on which the NAE is based. To corporatize this spirit and have art students buy into it in order to validate their careers, testifies to just how difficult it is to create ‘a beacon of independent thought and dialogue for Chicago and beyond’.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Annie,<br />
I enjoyed reading your account of the NAE from your egalitarian position working within the office and experiencing all that occurred, you have an informed take on recent history. Art confused with sport persists certainly in the UK government department of Culture Media and Sport! And your PhD comment from 1972 connects us to the beginnings of the hyped academicisation of Art Education: as though the beginnings of a boom and bust real estate rush. I note that your job included health insurance, that’s impressive- the NAE was a good union.<br />
As you say Annie of the revamped NAE: ‘its cost was a whopping $8 in the U.S and $11 in Canada. A far cry from the modest, initial .50 cost of the first few issues’. Compare this though to the mega whopping cost of degrees at SAIC- $33,000 per year, to be taught in the self-same spirit of American pragmatism via John Dewey and Jane Addams of Hull house, on which the NAE is based. To corporatize this spirit and have art students buy into it in order to validate their careers, testifies to just how difficult it is to create ‘a beacon of independent thought and dialogue for Chicago and beyond’.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Musings on &#8220;The New Art Examiner&#8221; by Annie Markovich by Lorrie Kountz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorrie Kountz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 21:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your article was written so beautifully Annie.  It was an incredible history of the NAE, the struggles, accomplishments and the politics of the art world.  I never knew to what extent it was.  And to be in the middle of it all....it must have been an amazing experience.  Thank you SO much for sharing your story!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article was written so beautifully Annie.  It was an incredible history of the NAE, the struggles, accomplishments and the politics of the art world.  I never knew to what extent it was.  And to be in the middle of it all&#8230;.it must have been an amazing experience.  Thank you SO much for sharing your story!</p>
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